*1232THIS MATTER comes before the Court on Defendant Billy Garcia's opening statement at trial on April 12, 2018. During that opening statement, B. Garcia displayed a PowerPoint Slide regarding Defendant Robert Martinez'1 murder conviction:
*1233Shortly after B. Garcia displayed that slide, the United States asked the Court if it could approach the bench. Out of the jury's earshot, the United States argued that the details of the offense underlying R. Martinez' murder conviction-as opposed to the conviction itself-are not admissible to show R. Martinez' character for truthfulness under rule 609 of the Federal Rules of Evidence. B. Garcia replied that he was not trying to use the facts underlying R. Martinez' murder conviction under Fed. R. Evid. 609. See Realtime Trial Transcript at 837:22-24 (held April 12, 2018)(Castle)("Tr.")("[W]e're offering it not because we're saying it's a [conviction.] [I]n fact the Court will see there is nothing about his conviction.").2 B. Garcia argued, instead, that he was offering the details that his PowerPoint slide contains to attack R. Martinez' character for truthfulness:
We're talking about the level of dishonesty and this talks about his character for dishonesty, how much he's manipulated evidence in that case to try [to] hide his own guilt. That's what we're saying Mr. Martinez is doing in this case is he's manipulating evidence in other words his testimony ... to get out of his responsibility. So this is a man who ... takes his own clothes off and puts the victim's clothes on then puts it all in a car then torches the car to get away with the murder just like I think the Government is going to argue happened in the Burns matter, and show consciousness of guilt but this is a person who has shown a history of trying to get away with his crimes like the crime against Mr. Santistevan and Mr. Marcantel by trying to fool everyone and so we believe it's evidence of mis[conduct and] dishonesty.
Tr. at 837:24-838:19 (Castle). The Court gave an oral ruling ordering B. Garcia to take down the slide, but permitting B. Garcia to use R. Martinez' murder conviction and not the facts underlying that conviction contained on B. Garcia's PowerPoint slide, because "that would be much more information than we would normally give the jury to evaluate [under rule 609,] which is usually [just] the fact of conviction *1234and what it is and maybe the date or something like th[at]." Realtime Transcript of Hearing (held April 12, 2018)(Court).
Under rule 608, Garcia can attack R. Martinez' credibility with reputation and opinion testimony regarding R. Martinez' character for truthfulness, see Fed. R. Evid. 608(a), but "extrinsic evidence is not admissible to prove specific instances of a witness's conduct in order to attack or support the witness's character," Fed. R. Evid. 608(b). Notwithstanding that extrinsic evidence prohibition, the Court "may, on cross examination, allow" specific instances of a witness' conduct "to be inquired into if they are probative of the character for truthfulness or untruthfulness." Fed. R. Evid. 608(b)(2). "Such inquiry is within the discretion of the trial court subject to rule 403." United States v. Morales-Quinones, 812 F.2d 604, 613 (10th Cir. 1987). Even when the Court permits inquiry under rule 608(b), however, witnesses may invoke their privilege against self-incrimination. See Fed. R. Evid. 608(b) ("By testifying on another matter, a witness does not waive any privilege against self-incrimination for testimony that relates only to the witness's character for truthfulness."). Further, parties asking questions about a witness' specific instances of conduct probative of truthfulness cannot evade rule 608's extrinsic-evidence restrictions by using extrinsic evidence to contradict the answers they receive, because extrinsic evidence is not ordinarily admissible to impeach a witness by contradiction on a collateral matter.3 See United States v. Warledo ("It is fundamental that *1235it is not permissible to impeach a witness on a collateral or irrelevant matter elicited on cross-examination."). See also United States v. Walker, 930 F.2d 789 (10th Cir. 1991) ("A matter has been held to be collateral if it could not have been introduced in evidence for any purpose independent of the impeachment.").
In contrast, rule 609 of the Federal Rules of Evidence permits extrinsic evidence when "attacking a witness's character for truthfulness by evidence of a criminal conviction." Fed. R. Evid. 609(a). Extrinsic evidence of a criminal conviction, however, is not the same thing as extrinsic evidence of the facts underlying a conviction, and rule 609 permits the former and not the latter. See United States v. Albers, 93 F.3d 1469, 1480 (10th Cir. 1996) (stating that rule 609 evidence " 'should be confined to a showing of the essential facts of convictions, the nature of the crimes, and the punishment' " (quoting United States v. Wolf, 561 F.2d 1376, 1381 (10th Cir. 1977) ) ).
The United States Courts of Appeal disagree regarding whether introducing evidence of a witness' criminal conviction under rule 609 precludes rule 608(b) inquiry, on cross examination, regarding the specific instance of conduct that produced the conviction if that conduct is probative of the witness' character for truthfulness. For example, the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, while reviewing a case where the trial court admitted a *1236witness' embezzlement conviction under rule 609, indicated that, "were we acting as the trial court in the case at bar," it would have permitted questions, under rule 608, "about the amount of money stolen or the lengths to which [the witness] went to misappropriate these funds." Elcock v. Kmart Corp., 233 F.3d 734, 753 (3d Cir. 2000). The Third Circuit reasoned that:
A juror could rationally conclude that one who embezzles a million dollars from the Government over a long period of time has a worse character for veracity than a person who steals five dollars once.... To the extent that they paint [the witness]'s crimes in a more accurate and complete manner (as the District Judge did in his sentencing opinion), questions relating to the facts underlying the pleas are also more probative of untruthfulness than a bland reference to a United States Code section or a recitation of the crime's elements.
Elcock v. Kmart Corp., 233 F.3d at 753. While the Third Circuit concluded that the trial court did not abuse its discretion under rules 403 and 611 of the Federal Rules of Evidence by reaching a contrary conclusion, that the Third Circuit would have permitted questions under rule 608 notwithstanding rule 609 evidence indicates that such questions are permissible. See Elcock v. Kmart Corp., 233 F.3d at 753-54.
The United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit takes a different approach. The Tenth Circuit reads rule 608(b) to permit "cross-examining [a witness] about specific instances of conduct not resulting in conviction if such conduct is probative of the witness' character for truthfulness or untruthfulness." United States v. Morales-Quinones, 812 F.2d 604, 613 (10th Cir. 1987) (emphasis added). When conduct results in a conviction and evidence of that conviction is introduced-even if that introduction occurs during a non-hostile witness' direct examination and not cross-examination-"only the prior conviction, its general nature, and punishment of felony range were fair game for testing the [witness'] credibility"; further cross examination delving into the facts underlying the conviction is impermissible even if no extrinsic evidence regarding those facts is introduced. United States v. Albers, 93 F.3d 1469, 1480 (10th Cir. 1996).
In United States v. Albers, the Tenth Circuit concluded that a trial court erred, albeit harmlessly, by permitting the United States to cross examine a testifying defendant about the facts underlying his felony conviction after the defendant testified, during his direct examination, that he had been convicted of grand theft property in trust and served a thirty-three month sentence. See 93 F.3d at 1479. The only distinction that rule 609 draws between testifying criminal defendants and other witnesses is that a special balancing test determines whether evidence of a testifying defendant's felony conviction is admissible notwithstanding its prejudicial effect. Compare Fed. R. Evid. 609(a)(1)(A) (ordinary witnesses), with Fed. R. Evid. 609(a)(1)(B) (testifying criminal defendants). See also United States v. Lopez-Medina, 596 F.3d at 738 ("Though the questioning here involved a witness, not the accused, we see no abuse of discretion in the court's decision to prohibit Lopez-Medina from eliciting the specific facts and circumstances underlying [the witness'] conviction." (emphasis in original) ); United States v. Howell, 285 F.3d 1263, 1267 (10th Cir. 2002) ("[W]e see no reason why we should interpret Rule 609(a)(1) to permit introduction of evidence of the nature of an accused's prior felony conviction, but not evidence of the nature of a witness's prior felony conviction.").4 Consequently, *1238United States v. Albers means *1239that, if the party calling a witness brings out that witness' criminal conviction during direct examination, cross examination regarding the facts underlying that conviction is not permissible notwithstanding rule 608(b) of the Federal Rules of Evidence.5
Nothing in B. Garcia's recent brief, Brief Regarding Permissible Evidence Under Fed. R. Evid. 404, 405, 608, and 609, filed April 15, 2018 (Doc. 2115)("Brief"), changes the Court's analysis. B. Garcia asserts that the "Court has found that the standards for admission of evidence to show conduct in conformity with prior conduct should be relaxed when the defendant attempts to offer rule 404(b) evidence concerning a witness." Brief ¶ 2, at 1-2 (citing United States v. Ballou, 59 F.Supp.3d 1038, 1062 (D.N.M. 2014) (Browning, J.) ).6
*1240B. Garcia also asserts that, "[r]ule 404(b) speaks to the admission of other crimes wrongs or acts against 'a person,' and does not specify that the 'person' must be a criminal defendant," so "most courts hold that defendants have the same right to offer Rule 404(b) evidence as prosecutors." Brief ¶ 4, at 2 (quoting Fed. R. R. Evid. 404(b) ). B. Garcia then describes several United States Courts of Appeal cases concluding that rule 404(b) evidence about a witness' prior conduct was admissible for a purpose other than establishing that the witness acted in conformity with character on a particular occasion. See Brief ¶¶ 5-6, at 2-3 (citing United States v. Stephens, 365 F.3d 967 (11th Cir. 2004) ; United States v. McClure, 546 F.2d 670 (5th Cir. 1977) ). The cases that B. Garcia cites, however, address whether and under what circumstances a defendant can offer evidence for a non-character purpose under rule 404(b), but B. Garcia seeks to offer character evidence-specifically character for truthfulness evidence-under rule 608(b). Accordingly, the Court concludes that those cases do not apply to the issue before it.
B. Garcia contends that, "[i]f a prior event resulting in a conviction involved a dishonest act, such as fraud or deceit, then it may be admissible under rule 608(b)." Brief ¶ 12, at 5 (citing United States v. Chapman, No. CR 14-1065, 2015 WL 4042177 (D.N.M. June 29, 2015) (Browning, J.) ). It follows, according to B. Garcia, that "a defendant may choose to cross-examine a witness, not on the basis that a witness' conduct resulted in a conviction under Fed. R. Evid 609, but rather, as a specific instance of conduct in order to attack or support the witness's character for truthfulness." Brief ¶ 12, at 5.7 The Court, however, does not make that logical leap. That a specific instance of a witness' conduct must be probative of the witness' truthfulness for rule 608(b) inquiry to be permissible does not mean that 608(b) inquiry is automatically permissible just because a specific instance of a witness' conduct is probative of truthfulness.
B. Garcia then attempts to distinguish United States v. Albers, because "the issue was what a prosecutor could elicit about a defendant's prior conviction." Brief ¶ 13, at 6 (emphasis in the original). B. Garcia asserts that "[t]he defense can find no case extending the [ United States v. Albers ] rule to defense witnesses." Brief ¶ 13, at 6. The Court, however, can find such authority. See United States v. Lopez-Medina, 596 F.3d at 738 ("Though the questioning here involved a witness, not the accused, we see no abuse of discretion in the court's decision to prohibit Lopez-Medina from eliciting the specific facts and circum stances *1241underlying [the witness'] conviction." (emphasis in the original) ).
B. Garcia suggests that limiting his ability to cross examine the United States' witnesses regarding the facts underlying their criminal convictions violates the Confrontation Clause of the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. See Brief ¶ 16, at 7-8. B. Garcia adds:
The government has put the character of each of their cooperators at issue. They introduce "truthfulness" provisions of the plea agreements. They have the witnesses indicate they have provided all details of their prior criminal behavior and have taken responsibility. In essence, the government opens the door to character evidence in regard to these witnesses by creating an impression that these cooperators are truthful and haven chosen a new honest path in life. Under these circumstances, the character of the witnesses is very much in issue and is a large part of the government's presentation and claims. The rejection of such is, similarly, an essential portion of the defense in this case.
Brief ¶ 15, at 7. Similarly, B. Garcia argues that "many of the government's witnesses are former or current inmates who claim that they have turned a new leaf and are testifying in part as a way to redeem their souls. Evidence that disputes the moral high ground that these witnesses are claiming must be wide and deep." Brief ¶ 22, at 10. Finally, B. Garcia avers that the "special characteristics of informant and accomplice witnesses" indicate both that the jurors "are to take special care in assessing their credibility," and that "the defense should be similarly given broad and searching cross examination to expose problems with the witness's credibility." Brief ¶ 21, at 9-10.
B. Garcia's arguments do not persuade the Court. While restrictions on cross examination raise Confrontation Clause problems when they " 'effectively emasculate the right of cross-examination itself,' " limiting B. Garcia's ability to inquire regarding specific instances of witness conduct that resulted in a conviction and are only probative as character evidence does not produce such a result. United States v. Gutierrez de Lopez, 761 F.3d 1123, 1140 (10th Cir. 2014). The Court's ruling regarding rules 608 and 609 impact the Defendants' ability to impeach witnesses with character for truthfulness evidence, but they remain free to impeach witnesses by evidence of bias, by prior inconsistent statements, by contradiction on a non-collateral matter, or otherwise. They can also make rule 608(b) inquiries regarding specific instances of conduct that did not result in a conviction. Accordingly, the Court concludes that B. Garcia and the other Defendants can adequately impeach the United States' witnesses.
IT IS ORDERED that, if Defendant Robert Martinez testifies, during direct examination, about his murder conviction and the sentence he received, then Defendant Billy Garcia cannot introduce the factual information underlying that conviction which his opening statement PowerPoint slide describes.